Suggestions

[Taron]

Don't, Zero! Altogether, please, stop telling me what other software does and uses! This is Verve and I love to listen to your ideas: Y O U R I D E A S!!! Not the idea of some other software developer. So, unless you happen to have a genuine idea of your own and would like to run it by me, hold back, please!
I love listen to your experiences with Verve and when it inspires you to sense some possible improvement or a potential addition that you'd love to see. But I really don't like it, if you simply think another software works great for you and you'd want to see it in Verve, too. It's very unpleasant to me and even threatens the legality of my creation, should I accidentally copy something that was patented somehow, you know. So... keep it real, keep it yours or keep it to yourself!

[Taron]

Awww, dang, Knacki, that is so fun! ...almost makes me want to get my animator hat back on, hehehe. Great job!

Dear Taron
what do you think about it
at the moment of pressing the keyboard shortcut he acted immediately
without hitting the manipulator
just as it happens and it is magic for me in such moments as!
ROTATION ENLARGEMENT SLIDING AT CANVAS

the program reacts then only to a shortcut without making unwanted blots



"on the subject of magic hacking on the screen without using a stylus"
verve touch function - for one who does not have a touch
there is already something like this when you press the middle mouse button
verve dances and floats without scratching the screen.

[Taron]

Grrrr...I'm not entirely sure what you mean. But I really, really want to know what you mean!
Let's figure this out! I'm trying to translate now...
As Verve works right now, when you press a shortcut, it doesn't matter which one, Verve acts immediately. No need to press any manipulator like SHIFT or CONTROL. For example, when one hits [f], then the fluidity parameter appears under the mouse and you can change its value. If you do not click on the floating dial, you can still paint on the canvas. When this happens, it is like magic to you? I am assuming this is meant to be a good thing? I hope so, haha.
Rotation, Zooming and Panning will allow you to touch the canvas without accidentally making a paint stroke.
And now it gets a little complicated to me. Are you asking, if I could hook up touch support for Rotation, Zooming and Panning? Because, if that is your question, then the answer is: YES, of course!
I already have written some of it and do have the API for touch there. Therefore you need not worry, this will come!

I really hope, I did understand?! Worst case, you can write it in your language and I'll see, if I can understand more that way. Slavic languages are tough sometimes, because they are very different from Germanic and Roman languages at first glance. But as I'm learning Croatian, I get a bit more of a feel for it, too.
But your wonderful wife is doing a great job translating. This is complicated stuff to explain, even without having to translate anything. Marta (right?), you're doing great, please, don't worry! Oh god, I hope, I got your name right, it's been so long again.

it's horrible assumption that i translate that! To be honest - this happen when I'm not in home
As I wrote some time ago (a lot, actually) when I'm trying to help Pud, need to translate from 2 languages- from his own to polish, then to english. Plus all of the verv and program language, shorcuts, fluidity, and other stuff - uggggh.

So - what he meant was acctually oposite what you understood. He want to rotate the manipulator WITHOUT actuall move on it. You're right with sentence: " If you do not click on the floating dial, you can still paint on the canvas." And it's not what he likes. At all...
As I understood well, it happend quite often that he accidentaly is paining canvas when starts using (F), but before "putting the settings" on it. What he wish/wants is:
clicking F(unction, especially shortcut for fluidity -> f is working right away -> no need to click on floating dial cause -> it will be set by the hand movement itself - if move is up - float.dial is also up, without making accidental drawings, strokes on canvas.

About magic - the magical was his personal setting one button on his pen - as an middle mouse button made his wacom behave like it have"touch" version. With the rest - scratching and other, I'm sorry, it's untranslatable for me. But I admire his ingenuity for trying to explain.

Ok, guys. If you'll need more of Puds translations - don't hesistage to contact me. By mail. Post. Messenger. Or whatever.
Hugs, Marta.

[Taron]

HA! I remembered correctly, yay! You know, I had a feeling I would get your attention to come and help out! ...anyway, thanks for the clarification. I will think about it. It's not so "easy", because it changes a fundamental behavior in Verve. Right now, bringing up one of those little dials on the canvas is a special power, actually, because it creates a temporary GUI element. Anyway, I will look into it and see, if I can find ways to allow artists to customize such behaviors. Everyone has their own preferences, you know.

Good call and, really, again, thank you for helping out, Marta! I still am sad we didn't get to talk on the phone then. I still hope, one day we all get to meet!

After a long while of not using verve, my biggest problem is still the behavior on an empty, clear layer.
That feels super strange and I experienced this with no other painting software I ever tried.
I just wonder if a "clear color" or water could solve this?
Something mathematically treated like color without color....?


Just in bed I had the idea that this should be already possible when painting black in add/+ mode, isn’t it?
Got to check that out when back on computer.

[Taron]

Hahaha, sorry, Knacki, but that had always been my thought and it seems like a no-brainer, but that's not the solution. I tried various approaches of that kind. It just can't work- a little tough to explain-, because it only shifts the paradigm, you know. As long as it behaves the same for color to nothing and color to color, it cannot act differently for one of them, ending up with the same result. I really know it seems like it would...really awkward, but nope.
I am still kicking around the idea of adding a TRADITIONAL mode, but it would take up an extra layer during painting with extra processing, of course, and with at least 3 of you constantly bickering about needing 10k resolutions, otherwise their artistic brilliance cannot manifest, it's a big ask, you know.
Thing is, if people were treating Verve like a real paint medium, rather than a fancy photoshop, none of this would be a big problem. That's not to say that I didn't hate this chronic challenge, of course, but it shouldn't be the end of the world, you know.
So, yeah, I will work on dealing with this, even if it means to become a little more extreme and simply destroy the current layering concept and come up with a whole new approach. We will find something to make it all good.

Do it your way, taron!
I just can suggest. There'll be always requests for these and that.
I don't want verve to be photoshop - I love it - you know that best, but this behavior is not communicable to new, and even old users, as it is not logical from a users point of view. Only annoying.
99% of the users don't care about maths or programming at all and they don't like workarounds - most of them will never find workarounds, as they already switched to another app they are used to before fiddling around.
This alpha issue simply looks like a bug, still.
Let alone the "memory effect" one have with erased and over painted areas. where the structure of past and erased brush strokes appear again and can only be heavily smudged away.
If you would like to go commercial, taron - I think it just should work like expected, otherwise you'll loose plenty of customers in the important first 30 minutes. There are plenty of apps out there, and those mobile apps are doing a very big step into customer friendly nobrainers. Young people don't know windows 3.11 and all those problems one had anymore. There are not patient regarding software not working as expected, I guess.
Something photoshop will have to face as well, as it is a monster in functionality, but a very old, not straight forward one.

Back to clear color.
As you already know, my idea of filling a layer with a +brush & black is not working, as black paint with plus is not transparent. Must be a different algorithm than on layer?

BUT filling a layer which is set on add with black works.
No disgusting colored borders, as there are no alpha areas, but still the layers are transparent - well for the price of only using layers with add.
Smoothing is smoother and no ugly, unexpected color irritations when using a different color on a half filled layer.
Instead of erasing, one need to use black.
Well this is no solution, but smudging even with alpha simply works this way like expected.

That's how it should be on normal canvas, in my honest opinion.